I've got a system 7.1 folder that contains a disk tools.image how can i put this on a floppy disk?

Please note that a PowerBook 165c needs at least System 7.1 and a special enabler.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA47341

I would suggest the use of a Network Access 7.5 Disk instead (no extra enabler required).

http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#util

However, the problem is still there.

Normally, another pre-1998 Macintosh computer with a built-in floppy drive would be used with Disk Copy 4.2 (the Make A Copy button) or Disk Copy 6.3.3 (the Make a Floppy command under the Utilities menu).

If a Mac with a USB port (and a USB floppy drive) is going to work with Disk Copy, an appropriate (early) operating system has to be installed.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25969

The following article indicates that Mac OS X can write disk images directly to floppies. I have not tested this procedure.

http://lowendmac.com/brierley/08pb/classic-mac-boot-floppy.html

If absolutely necessary, it is even possible to create sector-copied floppies from a certain Mac disk image type on a Windows PC (with a suitable version of Aladdin/StuffIt Expander and a disk image utility like WinImage).

Jan

Hello,

Here it is:

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin

If needed, here are the Disk Copy downloads:

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.sea.bin

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_6.3.3.smi.bin

Jan

Hi again,

I do not know what kind of file said disk tools is, but generally speaking an uncompressed 1.44 MB disk image (such as the Disk Copy 4.2-style image in the Network Access Disk 7.5 download) is too large to be drag copied as it is to a 1.44 MB HD diskette. One would have to write the disk image to the diskette using either the Disk Copy 4.2 utility (Load Image -> Make A Copy) or Disk Copy 6.3.3 (the Utilities menu -> Make a Floppy). When doing so, the result will be an exact sector copy. When attempting to make floppies via Disk Copy 6.3.3 in a USB floppy drive, see the TA25969 article above.

It is normally possible to drag-copy files from a mounted image, but when creating a bootable disk it is recommended to use the sector copy method (Make A Copy or Make a Floppy).

Which operating system is used on the G3 iMac?

Jan

Unless you have done so already, you may want to test both Disk Copy 4.2 and 6.3.3 when running Mac OS 9.2

Jan

Was that on the G3 iMac, under Mac OS 9.2 or 10.4?

Is StuffIt Expander installed and active? If so, you could check whether the StuffIt Expander preferences are set to mount images (choose not to instead).

Anyway, download the Network Access Disk 7.5 file (preferably when the machine is running Mac OS 9.2). Use StuffIt Expander to decode the MacBinary (.bin). The self-expanding archive (.sea) will probably open automatically (otherwise, double-click on the .sea file). Locate a Network Access.image file inside the resulting Network Access folder.

Now, try Disk Copy 4.2 under Mac OS 9.2. Do not double-click on the image file. Instead, launch the Disk Copy (4.2) program. Choose to Load Image File, and select and open the Network Access.image. Then, click on the Make A Copy button. It may or may not be possible to create a floppy this way through a USB drive.

If Disk Copy 4.2 does not work, try Disk Copy 6.3.3 (Mount Image under the Image menu) with the Network Access.image file. The mounted image will be called Network Access. Insert a floppy in the USB drive before you choose Make a Floppy from the Utilities menu in Disk Copy 6.3.3.

If the above does not work, again mount the Network Access.image file using Disk Copy 6.3.3. Open the mounted image (Network Access). Inside is a System Folder. Open this System Folder and remove all files from the three folders Apple Menu Items, Control Panels and Extensions (throw them into the Wastebasket/Trash, do not forget to empty the Wastebasket/Trash). The size of the System Folder is now somewhat smaller. Try to drag-copy the System Folder onto an empty (freshly Mac-formatted) 1.44 MB floppy disk in the USB drive. This may or may not work.

Otherwise, you may want to test the Mac OS X dd procedure (the LowEndMac article).

Alternatively, you may want to use an old Windows PC with a built-in floppy drive (and Aladdin/StuffIt Expander and WinImage).

Jan

At least this seems to indicate that the PowerBook is booting (either from the floppy or from the internal hard drive), albeit only just. Are there any sounds from the hard drive?

In order to rule out a few things, have you tried to reset the PRAM?

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

Jan

OK. Did the PowerBook really start booting from the newly made floppy (sounds, et cetera)? Did it keep the floppy disk, or was the disk rejected at some point? Did you get the same illegal instruction message when attempting to start without a floppy in the floppy drive? The new floppy may not actually have been bootable (a real sector copy required instead).

With the floppy in place, you could also try to hold down the four keys Command(Apple) + Option(Alt) + Shift + Delete(Backspace) during startup.

Jan